Position of conversation window

[Migi]

Pidgin don't remember position of conversation window. New window is opening in left-top corner.

[datallah]

Which OS?

[penguino]

I can verify this happens in linux, Debian Lenny. I am using KDE.

Pidgin 2.5.1 compiled using all default options (yes I had to fix the certificate problem for MSN too).

Every time you open a chat window, whether you click on the person in the buddy list, OR click on an incoming conversation in the system tray, the window appears always in the top left corner of the desktop and has to be dragged to reposition it. This is non critical but it is very annoying and also something of a privacy concern (I used Pidgin at work and I dont like conversations appearing at the top of my screen).

Apart from that (and the certificate problem), 2.5.1 seems remarkably clean.

[datallah]

Pidgin doesn't place the window, it is up to your window manager to decide the position.

[penguino]

It used to work fine. What has changed?

[penguino]

Oh, and can you kindly Un-Close this bug again please. I do not believe there has been sufficient analysis yet to warrant closure.

[penguino]

By the way, I think you possibly mis-understand the problem. If the window is left open, and just minimized, yes of course the window manager remembers the position. But when the window is *initialized*, ie. launched from the system tray or from the buddy list, then it always appears in the top left corner. Previously the window position remained stored.

Hope that clarifies.

[datallah]

Replying to penguino:

It used to work fine. What has changed?

There was a bug for a few versions which cause the window placement code to be in effect on platforms other then Windows.

[datallah]

Replying to penguino:

By the way, I think you possibly mis-understand the problem. If the window is left open, and just minimized, yes of course the window manager remembers the position. But when the window is *initialized*, ie. launched from the system tray or from the buddy list, then it always appears in the top left corner. Previously the window position remained stored.

There is no misunderstanding, we're talking about the same thing.

[penguino]

Thats a real shame then, the new behaviour is most annoying.

[deryni]

I fully agree that it is annoying that most window managers are incapable of allowing users to control when and where windows open. I fully support a campaign to fix that. It really isn't something that most applications should care about just about ever.

[penguino]

I agree, but the functionality needs to be there one way or another. Or rather, it was working fine and then was removed. This represents a drop in user satisfaction.

[deryni]

Actually, it was never 'working' (not as intended anyway), it was added for Windows only but also happened to work on non-Windows. That was reported as a bug and was subsequently fixed.

And yes, the functionality should be there, in the window managers.

[penguino]

Yes, I'm aware of the 'bug' history, but the ability/workaround is not there now, and the interface as a result is not as nice to use as it was.

[deryni]

I sympathize with your inability to have the conversation windows placed where you want them to be, but feel no compulsion to break the window management system for those users (myself included) who use capable window managers to fix things for those users who do not. As I've said on more than one occasion (here and other places) if your window manager doesn't do what you want it to do complain to the authors until it does or find a new one that does it already. Working around crappy software in other unrelated software is not a good idea if at all avoidable.

[penguino]

The points you re-raise are perfectly fine. It was however, working fine before and now isn't. It is not as nice to use, and in fact is rather annoying. If you are concerned about build purity then perhaps a -- configure option would be a nice solution.